December 2, 2023


Science Of Woman

Episode #205: Sensible Magic – Consolation Rewatch

37 min read

Since we love Halloween motion pictures a lot, we’re doing one other consolation rewatch. This week it’s Sensible Magic, directed by Griffin Dunne and starring Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman. Plus, we’re doing our e book report on Sensible Magic by Alice Hoffman.

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Present Notes:

Decor inspiration

Aunt’s home – The proper home as a result of:

  • It’s by the ocean
  • Has a white picket fence
  • Black fencing on roof
  • Massive stunning cozy kitchen with an island that results in a greenroom
  • Rose bushes exterior
  • Cozy unfinished attic with beds

Different cozy inspiration (trend, meals, drink or something?)-

Chocolate Tipsy Cake

Midnight Margaritas

Aunts’ Outfits

Charge the Film from 0-5 Whip Cream Cans

Elsie – 5

Emma – 5 or 6

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Episode 205 Transcript:

Emma: You’re listening to the Stunning Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation hear. Since we love Halloween motion pictures a lot, we’re doing one other consolation rewatch. And this week, it’s Sensible Magic, directed by Griffin Dunn and starring Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman. Plus, we’re doing our e book report on Sensible Magic by Alice Hoffman. An entire Sensible magic present! 

Elsie: I’m so enthusiastic about this. Yeah, I simply completed my Sensible Magic, all of the books, 4 in a row. So I really feel like I’m in my Sensible Magic period proper now. And it’s coming at an excellent time. 

Emma: Yeah, I’ve solely learn the Sensible Magic first one. It’s within the e book membership. However yeah, it has two sequels.

Elsie: It has two prequels and a sequel.

Emma: Two prequels and a sequel. That’s loopy. 

Elsie: So earlier than we leap in, I assumed you would possibly need to inform me about your first flight abroad with a toddler since that’s an expertise that you just’ve simply conquered. 

Emma: Sure, it was on my Halloween bucket listing, or perhaps it was an autumn bucket listing. I suppose not Halloween. It’s autumn bucket listing was we have been going to Costa Rica as a household, and it’s the primary time Oscar used his passport. The primary time he went on a flight, his little child image, and the primary time he went to the seashore. So let you know concerning the flight. So to Costa Rica from the place we dwell is 2 flights, and the primary one’s like an hour and a half, after which the second’s like two and a half hours. And we had a reasonably brief layover, type of the proper quantity the place, like, sweating a tiny bit to catch the airplane, you understand, you’re like, we’ve got no time to get a snack or go to the toilet. But in addition, that type of labored, as a result of I really feel like lots of time in an airport with a child is type of robust, as a result of they simply need to contact every little thing and purchase every little thing in all of the outlets, as a result of I did that on the best way dwelling. Anyway, his first flight was actually cute. I like, filmed his response because the airplane was taking off. He was like, sitting in my lap. He had his personal seat. He’s like, at an age the place it’s like, he does sit in my lap lots, however we did purchase his personal seat. Trigger he’s like, at an age the place you possibly can do a lap child. Anyway, he was sitting in my lap by the window and he was watching the airplane take off. And I really feel like he simply had his common Oscar response, which is simply type of frowning, which I believe is simply him pondering and like actually observing. He’s a really observing child and generally you assume he doesn’t actually know what’s occurring after which he’ll repeat one thing later the place you’re like, Oh wow, you actually like have been tuned in on that. I didn’t notice it. 

Elsie: That’s a really cute, like critical face, like a concentrating face. It’s type of his default setting.

Emma: Yeah, it’s his default setting. So, he did that, and it was actually cute, and he was simply actually nice for the flights. I truly had, on the best way there, we had two, like, random strangers inform us how nice he was on the flight, and certainly one of them was like, you guys are nice mother and father, he was so nice, or, you understand, simply, simply being good. And on the best way dwelling, I had a type of too, the place they have been like, he did so good, he didn’t actually fuss in any respect. And, after all, it’s actually not a metric of goodness. I believe when you do fuss on a flight whenever you’re a child, that’s additionally regular and nice. However I believe that they have been simply attempting to be encouraging, which I believe was good. And, you understand, I used to be anxious about him having a meltdown, and he didn’t. And in addition, if he had, that will have been okay too, nevertheless it wouldn’t have been enjoyable for me. However yeah, he was actually good. He did get to observe extra Paw Patrol than we usually let him watch, however that’s okay. It was a journey day, however he additionally had these reusable stickers that have been like pumpkins and bats and he put them everywhere in the seat, however they have been just like the reusable sorts of, they peel off very easy. So there’s no like ruining the seat or something. And he would stick them on me. I had my emergency field of band-aids, as you advised me, however we didn’t find yourself needing them. However I had them stuffed means down in his backpack and I used to be like, if issues hit the wall, get these band-aids out. However issues went fairly nicely. So it was actually cute to observe him simply observe every little thing. And he actually was a delight and straightforward and I received actually fortunate. 

Elsie: Oh, that’s good. That’s the universe being like, e book extra journey. That’s nice. 

Emma: Once I received dwelling, I advised Elsie, I used to be like, I really feel like I may need used up lots of karma, so I should be trying round for alternatives to love to do good issues as a result of I really feel just like the universe was like, No delays, no issues in any respect. Your luggage didn’t get, you understand, like all of the little issues that occur whenever you journey, like nothing unhealthy occurred. All the things was no diarrhea for him or him. And it was simply nice. So I used to be like, okay, I really feel like I used up some karma. I should be in search of alternatives. That’s what that is. So yeah, it was time although. It was very particular and candy. And naturally, as all mother and father know, there are arduous moments touring with a child, a toddler. And there was all that too, however actually, all of that’s already fading from my reminiscence, and I’m similar to, oh, he was so cute on the airplane. Oh, he was so cute on the seashore. Like, you know the way you do, you similar to, flip the entire thing into rose-colored recollections, which I believe is an effective option to like, undergo life. I’m like, I’m not going to recollect any of the robust components. Overlook that half. 

Elsie: I believe it’s a vital a part of like, how our parenting brains work.

Emma: I believe so too. It’s a really survival. , in any other case, I don’t know if individuals would have second or third youngsters, you understand, since you’d be like, no, no can do. However anyway, in order that was nice. 

Elsie: Yay. Effectively, I’m completely happy for you. That’s great. So we’re speaking about sensible magic, the film on this episode, after which we will even speak concerning the books and even the e book sequence, it’s its personal little universe, and I’m so completely happy to be part of it. So, for these of you who haven’t seen Sensible Magic, it’s a film from 1998. We positively suggest it, it’s an excellent film to observe through the spooky season. So that is the premise. Two witch sisters raised by their eccentric aunts in a small city face closed-minded prejudice and a curse that threatens to stop them from ever discovering lasting love. It’s so good. It’s positively my favourite witch story that I’ve learn, and the film is so cozy. So we’ll speak lots about the home. Okay, so recollections from whenever you first watched the film. My first time to observe it was truly fairly not too long ago, it was a time after I lived in Nashville and Emma came visiting. And I keep in mind that it wasn’t Halloween in any respect. It was like a special time of 12 months, however you have been like, you haven’t seen sensible magic. Let’s watch it proper now. 

Emma: Yeah, I used to be so stunned you hadn’t seen it. And so I used to be excited to point out you one thing. Trigger I really feel such as you’ve at all times like seen every little thing, you understand? So I used to be excited.

Elsie: So it was very not too long ago for me. After which I’ve positively watched it yearly because it’s certainly one of my kitchen motion pictures. Cozy vibes, and flicks, positively match into that. Do you bear in mind your first time to observe it? 

Emma: I don’t. It was in all probability highschool or school. I’m a giant Sandra Bullock fan. Like, I believe she’s hilarious and I additionally love romantic comedies and he or she’s in lots of romantic comedies. Her and Jennifer Aniston to me are type of like comparable vibes as actresses the place they’re actually humorous and actually stunning and infrequently they’ve like love curiosity tales. So anyway, I really feel like I’ve seen most of her motion pictures. Like if I’m simply on my own or looking for a film and I don’t need to prefer it. Scroll by means of every little thing or I simply need one thing that’s like simple and lightweight. I don’t need to watch the most recent artwork factor. , then I’m like, what Sandra Bullock film have I not seen? So at this level, I really feel like I’ve seen all of them, however that’s in all probability how I found it was similar to, Oh, a Sandra Bullock film. Oh, it’s witches. Fascinating. 

Elsie: Within the period of Blockbuster movies, Emma was strolling by means of. Scanning for Sandra Bullock’s face. 

Emma: Yeah, I’m like, excuse me, child behind the counter, the place’s your Sandra Bullock motion pictures?

Elsie: And this, I’ve seen the film cowl, like the image, is sort of a actually cute portrait of Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman with like a candle or one thing?

Emma: Yeah, I really feel prefer it’s attempting, it nearly makes it appear to be it’s going to be scary, nevertheless it’s truly not a scary film actually in any respect, I wouldn’t say.

Elsie: The title Sensible Magic makes, you understand, it’s going to be like somewhat bit candy. Like, I don’t know. It doesn’t appear to be a spooky.

Emma: And there was this complete period the place issues have been popping out with witches. Like, I really feel just like the craft was a giant one, which is extra of like a highschool drama. And this one’s extra like adults. It’s probably not about highschool or something. They’re youngsters within the film after which they develop up, however largely I believe it takes place of their twenties or thirties. So anyway, yeah, of all of the like, which motion pictures of that point of the nineties, this was simply my favourite and it’s very excessive on the listing so far as like motion pictures that I’ve rewatched many occasions. This one’s in all probability up there, like proper below the Harry Potter. Which can be about magic now that I’m occupied with it. Perhaps I similar to magic. I don’t know. 

Elsie: For certain. Okay, so the home on this film is likely one of the final film homes of all time. I do know that we’ve talked about it on the podcast in all probability greater than 100 occasions in our 200 episodes or no matter. However yeah, I used to be studying somewhat bit about this morning and So this generally occurs, and it’s arduous to simply accept, however this is likely one of the heartbreakers, similar to the home from the vacation, the cottage, the place it’s not and was by no means an actual home. It was a prop. It was a, like, shell of a home the place they constructed the outside, they filmed the film after which they instantly tore it down within the nineties. So, I’ve seen individuals publish on-line the ground plan of the home and kind of attempt to prefer to make it, like type it into an actual, I believe it could be the final word dollhouse when you’re if anybody’s a dollhouse particular person and so they need to do a tiny recreation. 

Emma: Oh, it could be an exquisite dollhouse. It might have somewhat rosebush on the surface. 

Elsie: However yeah, it was somewhat heartbreaking to me. I believe that the design of it although, was nonetheless an actual home that was designed, I imply, regardless that it’s for a film, it was actually constructed as, we will have a look at footage, we will recognize it. So they are saying that it was designed as like a cross between a Victorian dwelling, clearly, after which additionally a lighthouse as a result of it’s a coastal home. It’s proper on the water and it does have very distinctive, type of lighthouse arising like a unicorn horn, it has unicorn horn. Yeah, so I like that about it. I believe it’s positively a beautiful dwelling. If any of our listeners, is I’m a billionaire and also you’re trying to recreate one thing. I believe that this may be the one to recreate. I’d positively come and spend the weekend with you, have some midnight margaritas, and somebody please do it. Can we not all create a GoFundMe and make this into an Airbnb or one thing?

Emma: I do know. Yeah, I believe what makes it like partially so romantic is it’s proper by the water. So I believe any home that, like, you’ll be able to see water, whether or not it’s an enormous lake or the ocean, that to me simply feels so serene, like, so peaceable and calm. It’s very romantic to me. Perhaps that’s as a result of I’m from Missouri and we’re landlocked. We do have massive lakes, however I don’t dwell on the lake. I like It. At one level the youngsters like steal this syrup that’s been type of like poisoned and so they run down simply not very removed from the home and there’s like rocky, rocky, it’s probably not like a seashore like sand however like rocks the place the waves hit up on it and so they pour the syrup into the ocean and it’s similar to proper there.

Elsie: Yeah, it’s imagined to be New England. 

Emma: You possibly can go drink your espresso on the market within the morning, you understand, that’s the dream, however yeah, the home seems to be very type of like a lighthouse, however positively similar to a home. I believe a part of the story within the film and I believe it’s additionally within the e book is that one of many elders which’s is from generations in the past was banished and so she was on this sort of small island space by herself. And so this was like the place she settled and the home over time received constructed. So it’s in this sort of particular spot as a result of she received banished away from everyone else as a result of she was a witch, however yeah, I believe perhaps my favourite half is the kitchen which appears to type of spill out into this nearly like greenhouse room of all these vegetation. Which is once more so romantic in that you just assume like, oh you possibly can simply stroll into that little Sunroom And choose your herbs after which stroll again into the kitchen and end making your spaghetti sauce with contemporary basil or no matter, you understand, prefer it simply appears so particular and enjoyable and like close to civilization but in addition tucked away. However yeah, the kitchen has this actually fascinating hood. I don’t know learn how to describe it. It’s like pretty massive over the, like, range vary. And there are components to the kitchen that really feel very witchy, like at one level they’re stirring this large pot as a result of they’re making some type of spell as a result of they’re attempting to banish this unhealthy spirit. And there’s simply lots of issues that really feel like, not like a business kitchen, however like an old-timey kitchen the place perhaps they used to entertain or they didn’t have the know-how that we’ve got now. , prefer it looks like a really mixture of excessive, and low, like outdated homes have.

Elsie: I believe it feels very very like a Nineties Martha Stewart slash Ingar kitchen. Prefer it’s purposeful, nevertheless it’s additionally skilled. 

Emma: But it surely nonetheless feels cozy and like in a house, not like a restaurant. ’trigger there’s not like a ton of chrome steel in all places or something like that. It’s not the Jurassic Park kitchen. 

Elsie: No, it’s an exquisite, cozy kitchen with an island, I believe has lots of cabinetry and it has type of this cool, I don’t know what you name it, like an arched opening from the eating room to the kitchen that’s type of similar to a, I don’t know, watch whenever you’re watching the film, it’s an ornamental characteristic that’s type of like built-in with the cabinetry. That’s actually fairly, and it’s very distinctive. I believe it could be an excellent reproduction kitchen. Someplace on the planet, there’s an individual whose rework would match this completely.

Emma: Yeah, after which different components of the home, different than simply the gorgeous kitchen, they’ve this like, attic room that’s the place I believe each ladies keep every time like, Jillian comes again to city. And it simply has bedrooms in there, like beds in there. But it surely seems to be like, type of like an open attic. So it nearly feels in a means like unfinished, nevertheless it additionally feels very cozy in the best way of like there are rugs and there’s type of like I believe some like type of these wall tapestries are type of like hung. So it’s a really like, once more, I really feel like the home feels very lived in. These set designers did such an excellent job. It felt like an actual place, nevertheless it additionally didn’t really feel too polished. It didn’t really feel like, oh yeah, it is a bed room and it’s an ideal catalog bed room. It’s like, it doesn’t really feel like that in any respect.

Elsie: It feels very lived in and like an actual home. I agree. Okay, a few of my favourite moments of the home. I imply, I like the backyard. I like that it has a picket fence proper by the ocean. Trigger that’s simply very distinctive, and it suits this home completely. Okay, so a giant factor from the books is there’s a portrait of Maria Owens on the stairway and when you’re watching the film, you’ll see there’s like a ton of witch portraits on the stairways, which is tremendous cool. I like outdated portraits and I believe it’s simply such a cool assortment. Each outdated dwelling ought to have some Victorian portraits. 

Emma: I imply, one can dream. Sure, completely. Yeah. Bonus factors if it’s family. However, you understand, I’ll take something. 

Elsie: And I clearly just like the greenhouse is every little thing. It’s like essentially the most beautiful Harry Potter little greenhouse.

Emma: Greenhouses are at all times, I believe, very photogenic trying as a result of they often have a lot glass and a lot mild. So I really feel like they’re at all times an excellent place for like a setting in a film or in a photograph as a result of they simply are actually fairly. One of many type of characters on this film is a person who’s been half killed, however then they type of half deliver him again to life. It’s magic gone awry, however he kind of like turns into a spirit. He type of embodies lots of completely different components, together with this kind of rosebush that retains rising up and so they like minimize it again and minimize it again, nevertheless it’s nonetheless rising up. And I don’t know this film to me just like the Rose Bush is sort of like a personality within the film the place it’s like menacing, but in addition type of stunning, which I believe was type of what that man was like when he was alive as a result of she was in love with him, however he was an ass and beat her. Yeah, his boots type of come up out of the bottom after they bury him.

Elsie: He gained’t keep useless. 

Emma: Ugh. Simply gained’t depart you alone. 

Elsie: Desirous to hang-out you. My favourite factor from the e book that I need to make this for the weblog is that it’s like in all of the books, lots, I don’t know if it’s within the film, is the chocolate tipsy cake. Have you ever heard of that? 

Emma: Yeah. I Googled it instantly after trigger I used to be like, and it’s actually not like a well-known recipe. 

Elsie: I believe it’s a film recipe as a result of rum cake is a well-known recipe. That is particularly a chocolate cake with a ton of rum in it. So it’s its personal class of cake I believe and I used to be pondering I need to make one perhaps for Thanksgiving or for Christmas or like make it a household custom in our household as a result of I believe it’s so cute.

Emma: Perhaps we should always have a cocktail party that’s like all film meals and drinks. what I imply? That may be enjoyable, proper? Come on. And we might have like, you understand, some pictures up or posters up of the completely different motion pictures or I don’t know. However this may clearly be the dessert. 

Elsie: An thought is born. That may be a nice get together thought. I prefer it. 

Emma: A film banquet. 

Elsie: After which additionally within the film she has a store, proper? So it’s a comfortable little store. And it type of jogs my memory of David Rose’s, Schitt’s Creek store, you understand? 

Emma: It does. Proper? I really feel like he noticed the film, his character, and was like, that’s what this city wants.

Elsie: I imply I might watch this film each autumn till I die, and I in all probability will. 

Emma: The city is de facto cute, too. And I don’t know if it’s an actual city, I assume it in all probability is. They in all probability didn’t construct the entire city. But it surely seems to be very small city, however actually cute. And it feels very coastal, and really, like, northeast, regardless that I’m not an knowledgeable on the northeast. Oh, and in addition, we didn’t point out this about the home, on the highest of their roof they’ve this like type of black fencing, it’s like type of spiky trying, and on the finish of the film they’re all dressed as witches, like with the witch hats, traditional witch trying, and so they all leap off and fly. However they type of simply float down, nevertheless it’s positively like they’re flying as a result of they’re actually floating off of a roof. And it’s simply actually cute as a result of the fencing there’s like very menacing trying, nevertheless it’s this sort of cute second the place the city has accepted them as witches within the film. That’s in all probability why witch tales are so good is simply because it’s like, what the best option to spotlight prejudice, which is like, you understand, current in type of like all of our lives on a regular basis. But it surely’s like however in a extra enjoyable means. 

Elsie: Yeah, I believe lots of occasions, which is the lore of it or no matter, you understand, the fantasy of it’s used to focus on the ability of like feminine friendships and counting on people who find themselves not your romantic companion, however they’re your companion in different methods. The sisters and lots of fantasy books, like not simply this one, however many different, you understand, fables about them is that they’ll’t fall in love, their husbands at all times die. Not each single e book has this, however there are lots the place that’s kind of a factor. So it makes it in order that the witches should depend on one another. That at all times must be their household as a result of they’re probably not in a position to preserve romantic companions. Not that each witch is straight, however in lots of books that I’ve learn, that’s been the lore previously. And yeah, I believe that’s type of an fascinating system to make use of, and I believe it makes you study love and household another way, which I like. I believe it’s train. 

Emma: So another cozy inspiration? I stated the chocolate tipsy cake and midnight margaritas are for certain the greenhouse. We had completed the ant’s outfits, within the film are fairly epic. It’s every little thing you need in an ant. 

Elsie: It truly is. I’m like, at what age ought to we begin dressing like this? Fairly quickly, proper? Like 50? I don’t know. 

Emma: I believe it simply seems to be comfortable too. It’s like a special model of yoga pants. It’s received a greater model. Quite a lot of scarves. Quite a lot of massive solar hats, which I’m like, yeah, you don’t need the solar whenever you’re exterior within the backyard all day. 

Elsie: It’s great. I like how the tip of the e book, Sensible Magic, is the very same monologue that the film opens with, the place she says the factor about like, rising rosemary and throwing salt. It’s so cute. It’s lovely. 

Emma: Yeah, as a result of I really feel like too, that is within the e book as nicely, however they’re type of attempting to flee their id which is like, I believe it type of haunts them as Kids as a result of their city doesn’t settle for them. They get picked on as a result of they’re which is or as a result of they’re completely different within the e book. I believe it’s much less specific that they’re what are than within the film. After which by the tip, it’s like they’ve discovered that folks have accepted them. They’ve come collectively and completed magic with them to banish that abusive boyfriend. And I believe they’ve additionally come to simply accept themselves and type of have fun this a part of themselves that they used to detest, which I additionally assume, once more is a superb system for us to type of find out about accepting the issues about us that scare us, that make us completely different which may scare different individuals. And it truly could be, these could be our strengths. These could be like a number of the most stunning components of ourselves, you understand, nevertheless it takes generally time and life and circumstances to assist us see that. Yeah, and that’s what occurs on this story. 

Elsie: Being regular is boring, mom fucker. 

Emma: Regular sucks. No, when you’re regular, that’s cool, however none of us actually are. 

Elsie: Okay, so let’s do some trivia. Sensible magic trivia. So the primary one is your entire home was a specifically constructed architectural shell that was torn down after filming. It was constructed on rented land and even the blossoms and the bushes are faux manufactured from silk. I don’t need to know, erasing that reality from my thoughts, by no means pondering of it once more. It’s an actual home in my thoughts. 

Emma: It does converse once more to the set designer’s expertise although, since you simply need to dwell on this home. You need to go to this place and it feels actual, like I don’t even bear in mind pondering like, oh that appears faux. That appears like a silk flower I actually don’t bear in mind I’ve seen this film lots. So I’m like these set designers and just like the cinematographers and whoever else, you understand introduced this to life did an excellent job. So I’m such as you completely fooled me. I’m like on the planet and that is actual to me. 

Elsie: Oh, wait, I ought to in all probability say this. That is that type of trivia, however the manufacturing designer’s identify is Robin Standifer, and I learn this stunning little article from when the film first got here out, I believe, the place Alice Hoffman says that when she visited the units, she felt just like the set designer was a novelist simply as a lot as she was due to how a lot they introduced it to life. It was very stunning. 

Emma: She might see she was storytelling her model of artwork. Yeah. That’s stunning. That’s an exquisite factor to say about another person’s work. I additionally love the identify Robin. I believe it’s an excellent identify. For a boy or a woman. However, yeah. Okay, subsequent trivia. Aunt Frances and Aunt Jett steadily put on clothes and types that have been well-liked within the early twentieth century, suggesting that they have been actually a lot older than they seem. The forged stated they felt supernatural components of the home began to have an effect on them. Each the forged and crew claimed they heard supernatural noises whereas filming the coven scene on the finish of the movie. I really feel like this sort of factor comes up lots in motion pictures which might be about witches or the supernatural or horror motion pictures. I really feel like there’s at all times one thing that occurs on the set that’s like, nicely, that was bizarre. ? 

Elsie: I adore it. I imply, it does sound like they have been filming at the least the outside of the house in a really distant place. So I imply I might see it. Okay, so a giant half from the books is just like the black cleaning soap like they’re at all times making this black cleaning soap and utilizing it that like retains you trying younger. I would like it to be actual so unhealthy. I’m so mad. If anybody is aware of the place you should buy some actual witch black cleaning soap, ship it to me for my Christmas reward. That’s the one factor I would like. 

Emma: I imply, there’s black cleaning soap, however does it have magic? I don’t know. 

Elsie: I don’t need charcoal, I would like magic. Like, there’s a distinction, proper? Anyway, I believe it’s actually cute, like, all of the stuff, however yeah, they’re carrying outdated clothes as a result of they’re.

From that point or perhaps even like issues could possibly be handed down. You understand how households like simply preserve issues just like the portraits in the home. 

That’s true, too. I imply because the home has been handed down by means of many generations then that additionally is sensible. That, you understand, they type of have a revolving wardrobe in there.

Emma: You’ve got our grandmother’s like a swimsuit from her honeymoon. There are issues that may final a very long time, however I do really feel like the garments they’re carrying them like lots, you understand, like a marriage gown I really feel like is simpler to cross down as a result of it doesn’t get worn continuously. 

Elsie: For certain. Okay. After the film got here out, manufacturing received a name from Barbra Streisand. Oh, I like Barbara, okay, who needed to purchase the home, don’t all of us? As a result of the home was constructed on parkland and had Native American heritage. No digging was allowed, which was the actual motive that the house was solely a shelf. This was additionally the explanation that the home, which was solely a set, was torn down as quickly as they completed filming. So initially, it’s a tragedy. However second of all, Barbara, you will have the money. Construct it. In case you construct it, they’ll come. Like, I would like it to be actual so unhealthy. I’ll beg. 

Emma: I assumed too, like, after I first learn this, that she was calling to be like, Why wasn’t I on this film? 

Elsie: Actually, good query additionally. 

Emma: Might there be a 3rd aunt? I don’t know the way outdated she would have been when this got here out. Perhaps she’d be simply one of many sisters. I don’t know. 

Elsie: The aunts do have a brother. Okay, I desperately need them to make a sequel of Sensible Magic. One of many little ladies Emma identified was Evan Rachel Wooden or Evan Rachel Wooden. 

Emma: She was then and he or she is now.

Elsie: And yeah, there’s a complete nother e book. There’s a lot extra story for all of those characters. It will be wonderful if they’d make one other one quickly, ahead of later. Put that on my want listing, too, with lots of stuff. 

Emma: Expensive universe, please, please, please. Yeah, I agree. For the ultimate scene with all of the townspeople on the Owens dwelling, your entire inhabitants of the city the place filming passed off was invited to point out up in costume and seem as townsfolk.

Elsie: I like that. 

Emma: Yeah, I adore it a lot. 

Elsie: That’s the dream. 

Emma: Yeah, plus, like, are you able to think about getting some name that’s like, Hey, we’re filming a film round right here with Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock. If you wish to present up dressed for Halloween, come on down. I’d be like, sure, what time can we should be there?

Elsie: Yeah. Emma has been additional earlier than in actual motion pictures and TV reveals and stuff. I’ve by no means completed it and I’ve a chip on my shoulder about it and I need to do it so unhealthy. Like so unhealthy. Particularly Hocus Pocus 3. 

Emma: Oh yeah. I really feel like although, lots of occasions whenever you’re doing it whenever you dwell there, you don’t get to be in motion pictures that you just’re essentially enthusiastic about. It’s simply random, so it’s such as you would possibly get to be in one thing that you just’re excited to observe again and again, however you would possibly simply be in, who is aware of? ? Anyway, that will’ve been enjoyable, and that’s actually cute. 

Elsie: Yeah, I do know. It’s not the purpose of being an additional.

Emma: Effectively, hopefully, they paid them, however I imply, no matter. I don’t actually know what occurred with that. 

Elsie: Okay. The black canine that adopted Sally’s husband, Michael, to the day of his loss of life, was no accident, in line with a number of cultural traditions, primarily these of the British Isles and Latin America, an indication of impending loss of life can take the type of black dots. Additionally they have, within the books, a loss of life watch beetle.

Emma: That’s within the motion pictures, for certain. 

Elsie: It’s superior. It’s like at all times coming round, like one week earlier than you die, making a bunch of noise.

Emma: Which in a means, there is part of me that’s like, , I wouldn’t thoughts getting a heads up the week that I used to be gonna die. I additionally type of wouldn’t thoughts simply realizing usually.

Elsie: That’s true. 

Emma: As a result of then I really feel like you possibly can plan so nicely. 

Elsie: It doesn’t let you know who it’s for within the dwelling although, which is type of aggravating. 

Emma: Yeah, since you’d be like, is it my child? 

Elsie: As a result of it’s not at all times apparent. 

Emma: Yeah, if somebody was sick, you’ll in all probability assume, oh, okay, it’s in all probability them. But when like nobody’s sick, you’d be like, oh no, somebody’s about to die. I don’t know who it’s. 

Elsie: I’m glad they’re not actual.

Emma: Oh, I had a factor for this. So we’re ranking the film, and I used to be like, let’s fee it from zero to 5 whipped cream cans. 

Elsie: What’s, wait, what’s that from? 

Emma: Effectively, within the film, they, once they’re attempting to deliver the man again to life as a result of they’ve by chance killed him, they should make, draw a star on his chest. That’s a part of the spell. They usually’re like, oh, what can we use? What can we use? They usually’re similar to trying round within the kitchen and so they simply pull out a whipped cream can. Spray this with the star on it. After which she, like, takes a chew of it as a result of she’s simply hungry.

Elsie: Oh my gosh. 

Emma: It’s a humorous scene. I really feel like there’s lots of memes on the market now that’s like, you understand, everybody talks about woman dinner, which simply means, like, a bunch of snacks, I suppose. And it’s like, right here’s a woman dinner, and it simply reveals a photograph of them with the whipped cream and so they’re doing their spell, you understand? Anyway. 

Elsie: That’s cute. Okay. 5 for certain. 

Emma: Yeah. 5 or 6. Love this film a lot. Okay, nicely, let’s speak concerning the e book Sensible Magic. We’ve talked about it somewhat bit all through this episode, however now we’ll dive somewhat deeper into simply the e book itself. And you may speak about the entire sequence when you like, as a result of I do know you simply learn all of them and it in all probability is tough to maintain them separate when you’ve seen the entire, you understand, story unfold.

Elsie: Yeah. Okay. Let me clarify what all of them are and what the premises are. One of many foremost questions that I’ve heard individuals ask is like, what order is it greatest to learn them in? So now that I’m an skilled skilled, I’ll let you know. I actually assume they are often learn in any order. I don’t assume it issues. It’s simply not that kind of factor. There aren’t any spoilers. And the order I learn them in was from prequel one, prequel two, Sensible Magic, after which the sequel, which needs to be the proper order, however I type of, in the long run, I used to be like, it wouldn’t, it wouldn’t have mattered in any respect. Anyway, okay, so the prequel one is named Magic Lesson, and it’s the story of Maria Owen, so the like, authentic witch who makes the curse that nobody within the Owens household could be in love, or her lover is doomed. 

Emma: She’s the one who nearly will get hanged, however then the rope breaks, and so they simply banish her. 

Elsie: Sure. So that’s her story, after which prequel two, It’s known as The Guidelines of Magic, and it’s just about the aunt’s origin story, and so they have a brother, a magical brother. It’s like, very cute homosexual brother, very lovable character, and, yeah, it’s actually good, I’d say it was certainly one of my high, after which Sensible Magic, everyone knows, is the primary e book, what the film is known as after. After which the sequel is named The Guide of Magic. And most of the people in my DMS stated that that’s the easiest one. I type of actually thought they have been all fairly equal. I assumed they have been all good. I’d say just like the worst one, perhaps it was sensible magic, regardless that it’s so good. It was in all probability simply because it was the primary one and the opposite ones have far more historical past and crossover and stuff, which is type of good. However yeah, they’re all winners. 

Emma: I’ve solely learn Sensible Magic. I’ve learn different Alice Hoffman books, however nothing else from the sequence. So yeah, the opposite Alice Hoffman I’ve learn is Right here on Earth, which was actually good. But it surely was a very long time in the past that I learn it. However yeah, she’s a type of authors who’s written lots and I really feel like her stuff is commonly well-known or on a bestseller or it’ll be in like Oprah’s e book membership or issues like that. So she’s fairly well-known and I do assume her writing is de facto pretty. I cherished Sensible Magic. I listened to it as an audiobook and it was a delight for these days that I used to be listening to it. It’s not tremendous lengthy both. I need to say it was a reasonably fast, hearken to a reasonably fast learn, and so far as like when you’ve seen the film and also you’re like, will I nonetheless benefit from the e book? I do assume it’s fairly completely different so far as the issues they deal with and it’s additionally clearly lots longer, you will have much more time to get to know characters and to see issues occur in a e book versus a film. They’ve a lot much less time to let you know a narrative in a film. And I simply really feel like they deal with various things. There’s much more about Sally’s youngsters within the e book like what they’re as much as and what their life is like. And I actually loved attending to be taught extra about them as a result of they’re not enormous characters within the motion pictures. And what else? I additionally really feel like, okay, so this, I need to know what you concentrate on this. I really feel like within the e book, and I didn’t learn the entire story, so simply Sensible Magic, I really feel prefer it’s not as specific because the film about magic. I really feel such as you do know that they’re witches and you understand that they do magic and also you get that the city is type of uncomfortable with them for that reason, however additionally they come to them with their love issues as a result of the ants type of have the aspect enterprise the place they’ll enable you together with your love issues by means of magic. It’s in there, however I felt like within the e book, it’s rather more like, nearly like how individuals speak about important oils. Prefer it’s simply rather more like myths and like, what do they name them? Like outdated wives’ tales or like that sort of like, Oh, I went to the physician and that didn’t work. So now I’m going to ask my grandma for what spices she would put in her soup. what I imply? Like, it’s extra like that type of vibe. It’s not fairly like Harry Potter. I’m going to forged a spell with a wand. Like I don’t really feel like that occurs within the e book as a lot in any respect. 

Elsie: Yeah, I’d positively agree with that. I believe it’s as a result of the ants are like legit witches. And Sally and Jillian are extra like, Sally is denying, like, her place as a witch, she’s type of like, I’d reasonably be regular, and Jillian is like, not discovering her energy but. So I believe that that’s in all probability a part of it, however I like that, I like that they’re not similar to merely, you understand, abracadabra, I believe it’s very nice. Like a number of human tales, they’re positively consolation reads. We have been speaking about Sally’s love curiosity, the one which occurs with, like, the police or the detective man within the film, how she was saying by the tip of, it is a spoiler, massive time.

Emma: Yeah, I believe it’s okay. It’s been a very long time. 

Elsie: She was like saying, you understand, they have been type of simply attending to know one another. And I used to be like, okay, nicely, I hate to let you know this, however within the subsequent e book after that, he’s similar to immediately useless. Like Alice Hoffman isn’t into love scenes. Like these intercourse scenes are so tiny. There’s nothing, it’s not romantic. It’s actually extra concerning the sisters and the aunts and the feminine relationship with the daughters, which I like too. In order that’s positively her vibe. 

Emma: Yeah, I don’t really feel like I anticipate romance from Alice Hoffman. It’s simply not what she’s writing. 

Elsie: On the newer witch books, you type of anticipate it to at all times be similar to a fundamental romantic like enemies to lovers with witches, and that is very completely different from that. So I suppose that’s what I’m attempting to say is like, I recognize how completely different it’s. I’ve been attempting to learn each e book I can get my palms on for 2 years and lots of them usually are not that enjoyable high for me. Fairly boring and this was like very fascinating. It’s its personal complete world You’ll be able to go down. I’m positively an excellent fan now I purchased crimson sneakers. I purchased I planted a magnolia tree in my yard good, and I’m positively making the chocolate tipsy truffles.

Emma: Oh yeah, we’re gonna have the banquet. Yeah, I believe too, I just like the remedy of magic within the e book lots as a result of I believe it feels extra like actual life. As a result of whenever you do learn a witch e book or a magical e book the place you’ll be able to forged spells with a wand and every little thing’s mounted, It type of makes it, I believe, tougher, at the least for the creator, to create stress. Since you’re like, why don’t you simply wave your wand? Whereas, on this e book, I really feel like Alice Hoffman made a world the place magic can’t do every little thing. In reality, it could actually do a variety of fairly fantastical issues, however there’s lots it could actually’t do. And particularly for the characters who’re denied. 

Elsie: And generally it messes issues up worse. And it could actually’t be modified again. So, like, lots of occasions that’s what the spells find yourself doing. Yeah. It’s worse than initially. 

Emma: They’ve penalties and trade-offs, which once more, feels very very like life, you understand? Like, you make a alternative, and also you get one thing that you just needed, and one thing else occurs that you just didn’t essentially need, however that’s simply type of, you understand, the alternatives that you’ve. So, yeah, I believe it’s actually fairly. And, yeah, as we have been speaking about earlier, there’s not lots of, romantic sexual love. It’s much more about ladies counting on one another, which I believe is de facto enjoyable and makes you concentrate on household another way and it’s simply actually stunning. It made me assume lots about you and like us getting older collectively, and the way a lot I’ve relied on you in my life to this point and the way a lot I’ll in all probability proceed to depend on you, and clearly we don’t have a romantic love, we’ve got a sister love, you understand, we’re sisters. And I believe different individuals have that with buddy. You don’t should be sisters, however we’re. And yeah, I simply assume that type of love is particular as a result of it’s one thing that I learn about. It’s one thing from my life. So after I see it in literature or motion pictures, I suppose I really feel type of seen and it makes me really feel grateful for the issues that I’ve in my life, such as you. 

Elsie: Aww. Love you. 

Emma: I want I might do magic, however alas. 

Elsie: Me too. Perhaps someday. 

Emma: You by no means know. 

Elsie: Yeah. Okay. Effectively, let’s go now to our spooky joke and a reality with Nova. 

Elsie: Hey Nova, what do you will have for us this week? 

Nova: I’ve a meditation. 

Elsie: What sort of meditation?

Nova:A halloween spooky meditation.  

Elsie: Oh, good. Okay, I’m closing my eyes. 

Nova: Think about you have been strolling down a avenue in search of sweet. Then all of a sudden, come to a spooky home. The door creaks open. You go inside. Then you definately meet a cheerful skeleton. After which, you say hello, you stroll on. Then you definately see a lightweight flash. You go into the room and also you see a witch making spells. You say, wow, perhaps I might attempt. And so that you attempt. And then you definitely go on to the highest, to the balcony, and you’ll see every little thing. Then you definately spot a ghost needing assist. You go and assist him. He says thanks. Then you definately see a vampire. He says greetings. Whats up. Then you definately keep for a couple of minutes, speaking and consuming, and having a enjoyable time. However then, you see it’s time to go. So that you hop onto a bus and it takes you dwelling. Then you definately noticed one thing. You noticed that the witch, the ghost, and all of your different pals gave you a gift. You have been fast to seize it. Then you definately confirmed your mother and pop. They stated wow. After which they stated time for mattress. And so that you hop in mattress and dream about your folks. Now open your eyes and earlier than it’s completed, take deep breaths in, and deep breaths out, and really feel how your physique feels. Do you are feeling good? Do you are feeling relaxed? Okay. Bye!

Elsie: We hope you loved this episode. Please proceed to ship us your consolation rewatches. We will likely be again once more subsequent week with my Halloween favourite film, Rosemary’s Child. It was Emma’s first time to observe it, so yeah, we’ll see you subsequent week.

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